Ok i just was looking and i saw the post a bible which reminded me of a question. Ok im not trying to start a flame war, stop me if im wrong or something.

Non believes just don't make sense to me. It seems that you would need "Something" to believe in. And we came to this country for our own religion. We came to believe in something, which is why the country was founded on "In god we trust" and other things. Thats why i don't get why they bitch? yes we have freedom, but if bush can't say "Lets pray for the victims in katrina" and the atheist bitch about it, dosen't it defeat the first admendment? i don't know, just seems like they are stupid to me. State opinions!

I think your absolutely right ocelot, im not trying to rip on the athiest but they bitch about everything.

We need to get the hollywood stars to comment on this... they always have something insightful to bring to these controversial subjects. Maybe Brook Shields or Tom Cruise...

LMAO - yeah, with their scientology BS! May God Pwne them all! Amen

I believe in God AND I believe in evolution.

*GASP*

I believe God created humans and we evolved from there. There's scientific evidence of the evolution of mankind. Why can't both be right?

You're stealing my ideas, Gman.

Seriously though. Christianity/Judaism are so vague when it comes to things in the scientific realm that it only makes perfect sense that science is there to fill in the blanks.

Yeah, i think Aethiest were made just to bitch about things..-. if they take "Under God We Stand" from the pledge, that would suck. Our country was built on that foundation ya know.

But riddle me this, if god in his great wisdom could create the heavens and earth, isn't it possible he has the wisdom and knowledge to know that we would need to evolve in order survive and grow. So, yes I believe in the almighty lord and god and the theory of evolution. I also believe that this country was founded in believe of him. Here is the thing though, the constitution has been reffered to as a living document, which is ever changing. This is true to an extent, however, the true and original intent was to allow those individuals to be able to worship GOD in what ever fashion you chose.

Just my point of view, I'm sure others have there own views.

I am an atheist but i don't whine about religions. I believe a person can believe whatever they want to believe and its none of anyone else's business. You can talk about god, buddha, allah, whatever in front of me and i won't care. Try to change my thinking and then we will have problems. If you want an atheist viewpoint then here it is: god was made out of people's insecurities, people wanted to feel safe and protected under the guidance of some greater being, this improves the morale of those in the religion and creates order and a money supply for those that created the religion. Anyway there isn't a religious person in here that hasn't violated one of the rules in the bible. In my college it is required that you have to take 2 years of religion, so i have read the entire old and new testiment without complaint so don't tell me i don't what the bible says. let the flames begin lol.

personally my biggest problems when something happens a religious person cant explain the anwser is always "its part of gods master plan"


meh i could run on about noah's arc, how it was passed down by word of mouth for generations, how some areas were added and meh but tahts another discussion alltogether

ocelot....good point however 2 rules to life ....never talk religion or politics....anyway in god we trust is on our money so F*CK everyone who bitches about it....know what pisses me off?that kids cant say the national anthem anymore because of the jews bitching about it .....F*CK that go back to the desert and let us raise our children the old fashiond american way.....anyway bad subject.....lets talk about AFRICAN AMERICANS!

To reply to American, if God is infallable then why would he create something that was imperfect and needed to change? Just saying the bible. God exists but his mother was a whore :shock:

God gave us free will. It is through free will - the will to better ourselves and the will to change our ways of live - that allowed humankind to evolve.

Umm..the jews didn't take that away, the aethiest did.

Oh and btw, i will skip your rules. You see i like talking about religion and politics, because it is a big influence on our lives. Everyday we are faced with choices under those two. People who don't bother with politics have no right to complain when something goes wrong in the goverment, because they had no intrest in the goverment to begin with. That is why when people don't vote, then bitch, they piss me off. Politics is something i am learning, as well as religion. I was Governors page for a week in raliegh, NC. I learned alot there, i was standing in the chambers when the lottery bill was signed. That is history, and is very intresting. Of course now people just complain about it, but it's their fault. We have a choice in goverment, you just have to speak up.

One reason the don't remeber if im spelling it right but, one reason why the aethiest are winning is because the "Christians" do not stand up for themselves. We outnumber them, and if we stood up and said something in a combined effort, we could be there faulty declerations.

The "under god" part of the pledge of allegiance was added later on (in the 50s or something).

They shouldn't have added it. The beauty of this nation is that you don't have to be "under god" if you don't want to be.

The pledge as it were when it was first created was just fine. None of this would've happened if they hadn't added religion to it.

Removing the "under God" wouldn't stop the protest. Any forced action eventually meets the freedom loving masses with a protest that it impedes their right to freedom.

Soon, schooling will be protested because we don't have the right to choose what time our children attend, or why they are forced to attend school in the first place, if they don't choose to. We cannot see the consequence of our actions until they get to the farthest extreme. Give it time. We'll see society get freakish before much longer (20-30 years). Our strength will begin to fail us as the widespread "free exression" movement takes over as the current leadership generation.

Luckily, a great many of these hippies begin to grow-up and think differently when they get older and have to work for money to raise their families. As your income goes up over the years, you work your ass off for success, and at the same time you see the bums in your family get things handed to them, you begin to get bent about it. With that thought process comes the change in attitude as well. You see the bums' children running wild like heathens and getting in trouble, always getting sympathy instead of punishment, and you begin to realize that your children will have to work even harder so they can pay enough taxes to support the programs that will support the bums' children. That's when you begin to think "gee, maybe someone should have told those kids to shut up and get back in line".

One of the real issues is the fact that the consequences of our social development actions are not fully evident for 30 years.

I pay higher taxes and healthcare expenses so my relatives can get free braces for their kids, while I have to pay $3,000 for my kids braces. The problem is, after my bills and taxes, I don't have $3K laying around to get my kids bracees. I pay thousands of dollars in taxes right out of my hard earned paycheck. I have family members who only pay in 300-400 dollars a year, and they get a tax return of $3,500? So basically, I pay my taxes right to them, because they refuse to stop smoking pot and take that promotion that requires drug testing. They also refused to get married for several years because that would stop the $400/month in food stamps from coming.

This is not make-believe, this is a real-life example of liberal government hand-outs in action. Unfortunately, social and economic liberalism are tied directly together, and we don't have a party that allows participation in one without the other.

I take it your a Republican, corpse? hehe

Unfortunately, corpse, the kids growing up today are in a different socio-economic climate. The days of single income family is rapidly becoming a luxury that most people simply can't afford. With the rise in real estate prices, average homes in decent neighborhoods are averaging $300,000. The median household income is $40-50,000.... More and more families are having to have both the mother and father work full time in order to cover living expenses. That leaves the kids home alone... left to play cs for hours while remaining on a pot high. Parents don't want to parent anymore... they're tired when they get home. They want other people to take on the responsibility of parenting. They'll blame tv and video games for teaching violence. They'll blame schools for not preventing violence. They'l accuse teachers for not teaching discipline. They'll blame the government for not taking care of their kids. To complicate things further, our society has become heavily dependent upon medications. It's sad that so many parents substitute good parenting with drugs like Ritalin. I fear that the current generation of children will be incapable of handling tomorrow's problems.
The industrial age is over and pension and retirement benefits from corporatetions is soon to be nonexistent. Social Security is a joke. Our economic structure is rotting from the inside out. The bases for a strong country is a good foundation for our children. Many parents in the US fail to deliver that. For instance, so many people have ruined their credit due to mismanagement of financial resources. This is nothing new... it's been around for decades. Yet, we still have not instituted some sort of financial education for teenagers... no one cares to take the responsibility. Teaching the kids the basics in fiscal awareness will reduce the number of bad loans, bankruptcy's, and welfare abusers in this country. That information is alot more pertinent than calculus or latin.
So with all this corruption in our country... with the stench of decay emanating from the hidden recesses of our seemingly perfect society... what do we do?

Good question.

I'll ponder it and render my worldwide solution soon.