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darkvision
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Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:56 am Posts: 162
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 Re: n00b pros
iceman wrote: Getting better at CS doesn't accomplish much. Like you said competitively it's pretty dead, and that used to be the reason to get good.
CS also changes with each iteration so being good in one is quite a bit different than being good in another.
For example someone's skill level for 1.6 on a 1-10 scale could be a 9. But that doesn't mean they'll be that high when transitioning to CZ or Source or GO. Each version has their own tweaks and dumbass randomness. However, this doesn't mean they will be a 1 either, this comes from knowledge of playing the game and muscle memory.
A lot of things you need to get better aren't important anymore, such as how and when to throw grenades, when to anticipate people, how to read into others playstyle, etc etc..like I said the mental game of CS isn't important anymore considering it's pointless to devote time into something that's dead (unless you can find people and a team to scrim with for fun and you enjoy it).
Regarding getting better at just shooting you just gotta play a lot and play people better than you. To some extent true, like i never "properly" flash B site from tuns on dust 2, just dont find it worth my while to go that try hard, as far as anticipating footsteps, aiming properly listening to sound etc, these are all VERY important. Also i would say that the "pro" aspect from one game to the next(FPS wise) is mostly a moot point. because once you learn the basics, "put crosshair on face, pull trigger" and get to where you do things like react to sound properly, those skills will always translate to a new game, what a new game changes, is the "minor" things that are quick to pick up. such as good places for angles of fire, places to nade/flash/smoke. spray patterns of guns etc. but the fundamentals stay the same. IF you get to a competitive level, you will find that you do very well in just about any game you play. For instance when i first played COD WaW on my friends 360, i made a new account and started from level 1. i had the vast majority of the people i was playing against accusing me of "smurfing" even though it was litterally the first time i had ever played it. Anyway for the basics i would say the easiest way to do that is to find a TRUE pro server, run out die a lot, and then use all that free time to spec players better than you, watch where they aim, how they move etc, and try to apply the lessons till you can do it too. Frankly i dont think their IS a server in CSS now where this would be possible, too many good players have moved on to other games. That being said, if you think anyone playing at n00b is pro, then you have enough to learn that staying here to get better is fine, but i assure you a real pro would find us so easy to play its not even funny. Though as a pub our level is a bit higher than normal, its no where near even semi pro level over all.
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Spyda
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Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:00 pm Posts: 5609 Location: Yo mama's room, Bitch!
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darkvision wrote: iceman wrote: Getting better at CS doesn't accomplish much. Like you said competitively it's pretty dead, and that used to be the reason to get good.
CS also changes with each iteration so being good in one is quite a bit different than being good in another.
For example someone's skill level for 1.6 on a 1-10 scale could be a 9. But that doesn't mean they'll be that high when transitioning to CZ or Source or GO. Each version has their own tweaks and dumbass randomness. However, this doesn't mean they will be a 1 either, this comes from knowledge of playing the game and muscle memory.
A lot of things you need to get better aren't important anymore, such as how and when to throw grenades, when to anticipate people, how to read into others playstyle, etc etc..like I said the mental game of CS isn't important anymore considering it's pointless to devote time into something that's dead (unless you can find people and a team to scrim with for fun and you enjoy it).
Regarding getting better at just shooting you just gotta play a lot and play people better than you. To some extent true, like i never "properly" flash B site from tuns on dust 2, just dont find it worth my while to go that try hard, as far as anticipating footsteps, aiming properly listening to sound etc, these are all VERY important. Also i would say that the "pro" aspect from one game to the next(FPS wise) is mostly a moot point. because once you learn the basics, "put crosshair on face, pull trigger" and get to where you do things like react to sound properly, those skills will always translate to a new game, what a new game changes, is the "minor" things that are quick to pick up. such as good places for angles of fire, places to nade/flash/smoke. spray patterns of guns etc. but the fundamentals stay the same. IF you get to a competitive level, you will find that you do very well in just about any game you play. For instance when i first played COD WaW on my friends 360, i made a new account and started from level 1. i had the vast majority of the people i was playing against accusing me of "smurfing" even though it was litterally the first time i had ever played it. Anyway for the basics i would say the easiest way to do that is to find a TRUE pro server, run out die a lot, and then use all that free time to spec players better than you, watch where they aim, how they move etc, and try to apply the lessons till you can do it too. Frankly i dont think their IS a server in CSS now where this would be possible, too many good players have moved on to other games. That being said, if you think anyone playing at n00b is pro, then you have enough to learn that staying here to get better is fine, but i assure you a real pro would find us so easy to play its not even funny. Though as a pub our level is a bit higher than normal, its no where near even semi pro level over all. Believe it or not, but just from the amount of time some of the regulars put in, they are way better than a bit higher than normal. Some of our members are 10 year vets now and as much as they want to think they just run around and shoot, they do a lot more without thinking at this point and with a clear goal could do pretty well in a competitive atmosphere. Top tier players rarely go to pubs because of the amount of waiting involved post death without a goal of wiping the server. They'd rather go to a deathmatch where if they kill someone, they instantly respawn and have more fun and practice without the effect of making others mad.
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| Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:58 pm |
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honestly?
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Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:09 am Posts: 569
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Competitive play is a tricky beast. Some people love it and others hate it. With CSS there isnt much to get into right now. Its hayday has pretty much passed. I was lucky to play in the middle of it and loved every minute of it. The skills for FPS games are all pretty much the same. Work as a team, find cover, dont spray, and win. You'll notice in the server the more experienced players usually not rushing out like tards with P90s just to get 1 kill. They sit back and play the angle to the entrance to the bombsite or as a terrorist peeking certain angles into the bombsite before attempting to take it. The game seems pretty fast paced and can be hard, but if you slow down and take your time it gets much much easier.
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SuperEffect
n00bfest Retired Ancient, Senior Admin
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:00 pm Posts: 1944 Location: Parts unknown
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Mindless wrote: Mono system speaker ball mouse 64mb graphics 15" CRT screen
those r my secrets to success LOL i had my best kd ratio days playing cs on similar specs. 17" monitor,voodoo 5, logitech duel optical (that was the shit),P3 1.2 and 768 mb ram ( that was a butt-load of memory and money back then).Hell i could build a whole gaming rig off the cost of memory alone back then,a little over a buck a mb.
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| Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:55 pm |
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sIghtLines
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Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 11:00 pm Posts: 429 Location: Phoenix
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CSGo has a nice competitive base around it right now. Nothing like CS 1.6 and earlier was with CAL and the CPL. I loved playing back then. There was actually a reason to spend all the time scrimming and getting better. As you scrim you will get better overall, but individual play can only go so far, you have to have a solid team around you to be great. Also as a side note CEVO is in its second season of the game right now and there are quite a few teams out there. They are running a main and an open division.
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Natural Stoner
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Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:51 am Posts: 477 Location: Minnesota
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I'm a 14 year vet of this F*CKING game.
Man... where does the time go.
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Owning nubs in CS since the betas.
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| Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:55 pm |
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darkvision
[n00b] Member
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:56 am Posts: 162
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 Re: n00b pros
Spyda wrote: darkvision wrote: iceman wrote: Getting better at CS doesn't accomplish much. Like you said competitively it's pretty dead, and that used to be the reason to get good.
CS also changes with each iteration so being good in one is quite a bit different than being good in another.
For example someone's skill level for 1.6 on a 1-10 scale could be a 9. But that doesn't mean they'll be that high when transitioning to CZ or Source or GO. Each version has their own tweaks and dumbass randomness. However, this doesn't mean they will be a 1 either, this comes from knowledge of playing the game and muscle memory.
A lot of things you need to get better aren't important anymore, such as how and when to throw grenades, when to anticipate people, how to read into others playstyle, etc etc..like I said the mental game of CS isn't important anymore considering it's pointless to devote time into something that's dead (unless you can find people and a team to scrim with for fun and you enjoy it).
Regarding getting better at just shooting you just gotta play a lot and play people better than you. To some extent true, like i never "properly" flash B site from tuns on dust 2, just dont find it worth my while to go that try hard, as far as anticipating footsteps, aiming properly listening to sound etc, these are all VERY important. Also i would say that the "pro" aspect from one game to the next(FPS wise) is mostly a moot point. because once you learn the basics, "put crosshair on face, pull trigger" and get to where you do things like react to sound properly, those skills will always translate to a new game, what a new game changes, is the "minor" things that are quick to pick up. such as good places for angles of fire, places to nade/flash/smoke. spray patterns of guns etc. but the fundamentals stay the same. IF you get to a competitive level, you will find that you do very well in just about any game you play. For instance when i first played COD WaW on my friends 360, i made a new account and started from level 1. i had the vast majority of the people i was playing against accusing me of "smurfing" even though it was litterally the first time i had ever played it. Anyway for the basics i would say the easiest way to do that is to find a TRUE pro server, run out die a lot, and then use all that free time to spec players better than you, watch where they aim, how they move etc, and try to apply the lessons till you can do it too. Frankly i dont think their IS a server in CSS now where this would be possible, too many good players have moved on to other games. That being said, if you think anyone playing at n00b is pro, then you have enough to learn that staying here to get better is fine, but i assure you a real pro would find us so easy to play its not even funny. Though as a pub our level is a bit higher than normal, its no where near even semi pro level over all. Believe it or not, but just from the amount of time some of the regulars put in, they are way better than a bit higher than normal. Some of our members are 10 year vets now and as much as they want to think they just run around and shoot, they do a lot more without thinking at this point and with a clear goal could do pretty well in a competitive atmosphere. Top tier players rarely go to pubs because of the amount of waiting involved post death without a goal of wiping the server. They'd rather go to a deathmatch where if they kill someone, they instantly respawn and have more fun and practice without the effect of making others mad. Again it depends on what your after, different game types and even map types can give you a lot of different things to practice. DM is good for learning a weapon, but bad for a number of other things, like sound/anticipation because of the random spawning. Its why i always preferred something like fy_iceworld, very quick rounds, "set" locations to get used to for your aiming (easier to learn exactly where your crosshair needs to be for that HS at the start of the round, still get to use sound etc). Obviously the benifit to rotation is learning the competitive maps where to nade etc, but this is often done with the team, so you can work out strategy's, test your nades for maximum effectiveness etc. And i wasnt saying that n00bfest wasnt above the average pub, it is by a LOT. At the same time its no where near what the "old" now dead pro servers were like. Also anywhere a actual pro is, people will be mad :P
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coffeeeeeeee
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Joined: Tue May 21, 2013 2:28 pm Posts: 23 Location: canada, ontario
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pretty fun, all this talk makes me wish css was still really competitive. thanks for all the input guys :)
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grunt
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Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:35 am Posts: 142 Location: pontiac , IL
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tip of the day : have balls
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reezy1
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Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:10 pm Posts: 33 Location: USA, Midwest
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Really there is no secret to being good. You learn how to play the game and after that point you either have a really good game sense or you dont. If you dont no matter what you will just be bad/lucky forever. It all comes down to knowing what to do in every situation through lots of playtime and previous fps experience.
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Mr.Reilly
n00bfest Council
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:24 pm Posts: 1768
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Situational awareness. Youll get a hang of shooting and all that but learn situational awareness. Itll help in every fps you play hell even the sports you play. Youll be able to predict the flow of the teams and whats going to happen. Learn how people play, their reactions. I guess its easier for me because I played very high level soccer and I was a good 3-4 steps ahead of people. If X defender moves to Y position then Z Lane opens for a play causing....so on and so forth. Pay attention to your teammates where they are and what they are doing. Situational awareness is HUGE. You can be good at shooting and all that but If you cant think properly on the challenge ahead of you then youve already lost. Slow down and think. Once you get a hang of it youll be able to move and think on the fly and dissect the situation to your advantage.
This also applys to anything you do. Think think think think think. Dont just act THINK. What are the results of XYZ decisions? What seems the most useful to the task at hand. THINK.
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