liberalism has no stance so it cant be good it changes with the wind. not a solid stance sorry

Rush Limbaugh ftw man.

im always on the road for savage and sometimes for hannity... it makes the drive so much more interesting

Its solid stance is that change is good. Do you honestly think that society/politics is perfect?

A lot of people thought feudalism was perfect too and liberalism was bad... that doesn't mean they were right.

Sometimes Rush gets on my nerves, though. I mean... I'm a middle-of-the-road conservative. I'm very conservative when it comes to our federal government, our national security, and our spending habits. I have some liberal stances on social issues like... I don't think abortion should be completely illegal, I think we should move forward with stem cell research, etc. But Rush gets kinda psycho on stuff sometimes and acts like all Democrats are actually evil and insane, and I disagree.

They're just misguided and wrong. I don't think they're actually evil.

People shouldn't worry so much about the deficit. Do you have any idea what's going to happen to our national debt when things go atomic in the middle east and we've developed alternate fuel vehicles here? Thanks right... the oil reserves we're sitting on will be worth their weight in gold, and all the countries we owe money to will be paying TOP dollar for that shit.

We can dig a mighty big hole between now and 100 years from now. Eventually, WE will have the oil, and WE will control the pricing. Either the middle east will tap out of it, or they'll all get in a nuke war with Israel and turn the whole region into a glowing green hotbed not worth harvesting for 500 years.

Think about it, man.... we're sitting on it, and so is Mexico. Eventually, it'll be our turn.

we should have a politics section of the forum

rush limbaugh is douche sometimes he goes overboard on some shit.

Unless ALL the polls are pretty severely mistaken, the House is going to go Democratic. The Senate is still somewhat up for grabs.

yeah and if we trusted polls gore and kerry would have been president.

this is totally my opinion but liberals have no morales they want abortion to be government mandated, they want God taken out of everything, and they want 13 year girls to be able to have abortions without consulting their parents. thats just to name a few things. besides that they want to solve "all" money problems by raising taxes any way possible, grant amnostiy to illegal immigrants, and work out deals with terrorist ran countries.

i will comment more when i get off work lol great conversation guys please lets keep it civilized and smooth i love a good debate.

I NEVER want Hillary Clinton in. She's PAST liberal and more towards communist.

I think the only reason people like Bill Clinton, was his little scandal and how he hid it so well.

I need to post a pic later...

EDIT: My crude remake of the spectrum. I marked where Hillary Clinton is considered.

I don't really consider myself conservative or a liberal but I have to agree that abortion should be illegal except under one condition and that's if the girl is raped, now I not talking about getting drunk and having sex and not remembering it, but being like flat out raped, and getting an abortion for any other thing shouldn't be allowed because everything else is there own fault.

im not sure exactly where i am but i belive i'm more republican that democrat.....


meh F*CK granting illegals amnisty....we tried it back in the day and it didnt work.


screw welfare, or atleast the way it is now. i dont belive that a person regardless of race should be able to sit at home and get a check while everyone else works. atleast give them a drug test or something and put them on a time thing

a child is nothing more than the parents property until they turn 18. they cant buy a car, the parent can collect all the kids income, ect. i dont think a 13 year old child should be able to go get an abortion. in my mind its the womans choice (woman implying 18+)


gay marrage....i dont agree with it, but its none of my business what goes on behind closed doors between 2 people. so while i dont agree with it i also could careless.


as for giving the rich tax breaks.....the rich pay most of the taxes anyway, if anything they deserve the break more then the person on welfare

Ah. The first moderate I saw on these forums.

Huh me don't understand big words what do you mean by this moderate?

You don't take either side. You take the best of both sides.

LoL Hillary Clinton is a figment of U.S. of A's overstimulated imagination she isn't real and if you give me enough money I can prove this.

Edit: Ty for the compliment :D

I was just pointing out where she was on the spectrum. That damn communist.

Actually Communism will be the only form of government when I rule the world wait, does it still count as communism if I'm the only human left?

I dunno…the polls for Kerry were a lot closer, especially at this 1-week mark. All of the key House races are showing democrat as of now. In any case, I’m more of a moderate, although my views tend to be more liberal than conservative.

Iraq-
I don’t think we should have invaded the way we did. Either we should have garnered more international support, or at least invaded with UTTERLY OVERWHELMING force by ourselves.

However, now that we’re there and somewhat responsible for Iraqi future, I think pulling out immediately is stupid, and making a timeline to withdraw is almost as stupid. We should leave once the place is reasonably stabilized. Some of the more leftist liberals need to realize that it’s not like conservatives enjoy having our troops in Iraq just for kicks.

Abortion-
I suppose woman’s choice. I think people who had sex should be aware of the consequences, but sometimes it’s beyond their control (i.e. rape), and sometimes going through with the birth can risk the mother’s life. On a similar note, I think condoms should be included in sex ed. programs, as long as the focus is still on the fact that abstinence is the only true form of “safe sex”. Some people just aren’t going to follow that guide, though, and so we might as well educate them to minimize the consequences for them and their potential children.

Taxes-
Eh, I think the real problem is with government spending. I don’t mind cutting taxes a bit, as long as the government spends less. As long as we have a huge defense budget, not to mention the costs of rebuilding Iraq, the money has to come from somewhere. The top 10% richest pay 60% of this country’s taxes, so it’s probably not a question of taxing them more.

Illegal Immigration-
I don’t mind immigrants, but I do mind illegal immigrants. Letting everyone in is stupid. Keeping everyone out is stupid. Kicking everyone out is stupid. I think the naturalization process should be reformed/updated to make legal immigration easier, but I don’t think illegal immigration should be tolerated, if nothing else because of the bureaucratic harms. For example, illegal immigrants aren’t taken into account in censuses, meaning that policies (how much should _____ county spend on hospitals, education, etc.) are messed up from the start. Also, lacking citizenship means they don’t pay taxes, and so shouldn’t have access to tax-supported education and health services.

Religion-
I’m not very religious myself. I believe pretty strongly in separation of Church and State. I think religion has very positive social effects if followed correctly, and so there shouldn’t be a “crackdown” on religion. However, I also don’t think that religion should be MANDATED in any tax-sponsored area (i.e. public schools). I don’t think prayer in schools should be enforced, but I also don’t think we need to do silly things like take “God” out of the pledge of allegiance. The meaning is symbolic, and people should be able to deal with that.

Welfare-
I’m not too sure on my stance here yet. Welfare payments certainly shouldn’t be enough to live on, but I think it’s a good idea to have a minimal safety net in case of economic recessions, just to get us through to the recovery. Still, at the point where people CAN actually “sit back and live on welfare checks,” it has failed. I'm not sure that's true now, like a lot of people claim.

G4Y Marriage-
It’s not going to hurt my relationships with women if homosexuals are able to marry and enjoy the privileges that go along with that status. Also goes back to the separation of Church and State. I don’t know who gives me the right to tell two people they can’t be together.

Minimum Wage-
Maybe the clearest point where I disagree with congressional democrats. I don’t think it should be raised, based purely on economic principles.