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Need A Conceal Carry Weapon
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dirtbag
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Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:00 am Posts: 620 Location: Colorado
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 Need A Conceal Carry Weapon
I'm looking for a ccw. I've shot a bunch of .380 ACP guns...and I don't really care for them. So, I'm looking at 9mm. I just got back from the club where I shot a glock 26 and a CZ 2075 Rami. I liked the CZ. The glock was too small for my hand. I'm going to try a Springfield EMP, and a Walther PPS next. Wondering if you guys have any experience with these guns or have suggestions.
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Tazzaler
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Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:00 pm Posts: 5727 Location: Dakota, North
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Don't you have a Luger from back when you were fighting the Nazis?
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KuNg_Fu
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Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:00 am Posts: 846 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Tazzaler wrote: Don't you have a Luger from back when you were fighting the Nazis? lol you beat me to it. I was gonna say a nice six shooter from your youth
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slayer
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Joined: Fri May 28, 2010 12:11 pm Posts: 1081 Location: va
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i love my ruger p95 9mm great weapon and very reliable,the walther is also a good weapon my wife has the pk 380 but the s&w makes pretty much same weapon for a little less.for the money though i suggest the ruger p95 you get a hammer(for added safety) ,accuracy ,reliability all for about 350-400 dollars.and they make tons of extended mags for cheap 17s, 30s,for 10-20 bucks .i suggest finding a dealer that will let you shoot them first you may want a larger cal like 40 for druggies on meth.how ever the 9mm with personal defense rounds like hydro shocks,or drts (dead right there)are very effective.the drts are great for close quarters where over penetration can be a problem.the drts are made from compressed powder core in a copper jacket with ballistic tip that causes them to transfer all energy to the victim and the projectile to say in the target.hope this helps
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slayer
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Joined: Fri May 28, 2010 12:11 pm Posts: 1081 Location: va
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o and the glock has a mag extender to make the gun fit better but i still dont like the feel kinda like your gonna drop the gun when fired because it is to wide and short.
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dirkdeagler
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Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:12 pm Posts: 3663 Location: Mt Hood, Oregon
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I tried a glock 19 and HK P30. The glock felt awesome but the HK had ambidextrous controls so I bought that. It would make a fantastic CCW.
However the most natural "point & shoot" gun I've ever tried was the Sig p228. I kid you not, it felt no different recoil-wise from the HK, yet it was 10x easier to hit what I was shooting at.
So my ultimate recommendation is the Sig p228.
(edit, i guess it wasn't in .40, not sure what I was thinking)
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AnalChowMein
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Joined: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:00 am Posts: 3216 Location: Michigan
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The only way you will ever find out what you like is by going to a gun shop and playing with everything that looks appealing to you. Don't touch the gun guy's C*CK. A lot of shops even have the option of shooting a weapon before you purchase. This is how I have done all my pistol shopping. I normally have an idea of what I want when I go in but normally I always change my mind after playing with them.
My first pistol I was set on buying a .45 ACP 1911 WartHog but after playing with it and comparing it to others I got a S&W 1911 in .45. Warthog was $500 and the S&W was $1200. A bit of a difference and proves that with pistols you always get what you pay for.
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-Purple-
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Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:00 pm Posts: 5190 Location: Vegas Baby
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Dirtbag, I have a Ruger LCP.380 conceal pistol. It's small enough to fit in my pocket without being noticed. Yes, it's small, but it will only be used in life or death situations where it should be close range put-a-nigga-down type of thing. Bigger pistols are more comfortable in my hand, but I already got a .40 cal sigsaur for that. Conceal is just for out and about concealment, step in my house you get your choice of .40, 7.62, or shotty to your face :)
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das
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well, the number one thing is that you have to find a gun that you are comfortable with and can shoot accurately. I have never liked compact guns, I like having as many bullets as possible. I have also never cared about people seeing that I have a gun, so i have always carried full sized. This kinda depends on your state though. In Indiana, we had an open carry law, which meant you could carry your gun in full visibility. Florida, where i now live, is different. A gun store owner told me that it had to be concealed at all times. It all just goes back to what your comfortable with. The first gun i carried was a Taurus 1911, love the gun, shoots straight as an arrow but only held 8 rounds. So now i carry a Springfield XDM 9mm. One of the best guns on the market imo, should definitely try it out if you get the chance. A lot of people will say not to carry 9mm cause they are too fast of a bullet and lack stopping power, but with bullet technology today, they will easily take someone down. I would suggest going to a range and just shooting whatever they have on the shelf.
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the_yeti
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Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:00 pm Posts: 974
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for more stopping power, you could go with a Warthog ( http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=8) from Para Ordinance. 10+1 of 45ACP aint too shabby...
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virus
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Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:00 am Posts: 1918 Location: Miami, FL
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Das wrote: well, the number one thing is that you have to find a gun that you are comfortable with and can shoot accurately. I have never liked compact guns, I like having as many bullets as possible. I have also never cared about people seeing that I have a gun, so i have always carried full sized. This kinda depends on your state though. In Indiana, we had an open carry law, which meant you could carry your gun in full visibility. Florida, where i now live, is different. A gun store owner told me that it had to be concealed at all times. It all just goes back to what your comfortable with. The first gun i carried was a Taurus 1911, love the gun, shoots straight as an arrow but only held 8 rounds. So now i carry a Springfield XDM 9mm. One of the best guns on the market imo, should definitely try it out if you get the chance. A lot of people will say not to carry 9mm cause they are too fast of a bullet and lack stopping power, but with bullet technology today, they will easily take someone down. I would suggest going to a range and just shooting whatever they have on the shelf. THIS! I am a Springfield nut. I love all their handguns. The XD and & XDM series are beast! I use a sub-compact XD .40 though for concealed in florida.
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Gman
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Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:00 pm Posts: 13453
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I'm a huge CZ and springfield nerd. My Springfield P9 is a clone of a CZ-75 and I love it. If you're looking for something to carry, you can't go wrong with CZ's simple design and reliability. Reliability will save your life. That being said, I completely agree with everyone who said that you should get a good feel for a handgun before you buy it. Make sure it fits nicely in your hand, and make sure you feel good about being able to accurately fire it. They're extremely hard to find, but I suggest looking at a Tanfoglio Witness Carry chambered in 10mm. Tanfoglio is probably not a company you have ever heard of, but they make some amazing competition-grade firearms; a Tanfoglio handgun has won pretty much every major pistol competition in the world at least once. They primarily make CZ-clones. Oh, and 10mm is the absolute BEST anti-human pistol round on the market that you can get in a concealed-carry form factor. 10mm goes faster and hits harder than both 9mm and 45, and the recoil from 10mm is more manageable than .45ACP. The Witness Carry has an almost identical look and feel to the CZ you mentioned before, except the grip is a tad bit longer (read: higher capacity magazine): http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =215084442If you can find one of those at a local gun shop, or have someone special order one for you to test out, I seriously would. The full-sized match grade version of this handgun will be my next handgun purchase. Bottom line is: find something that you feel good about carrying and shooting. Oh, and when you buy it, if you're going to carry it, shoot it as much as you possibly can. Practice, practice, practice. Become RETARDEDLY familiar with how everything in the weapon works and know how to tear it apart and put it back together to clean it thoroughly. A clean gun is a happy gun, and a happy gun won't jam.
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Mr.Reilly
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Tazzaler wrote: Don't you have a Luger from back when you were fighting the Nazis? I just spit my soda up because of this hahahahaha.
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Crzyninja
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Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:00 pm Posts: 2410 Location: california
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Gman wrote: I'm a huge CZ and springfield nerd. My Springfield P9 is a clone of a CZ-75 and I love it. If you're looking for something to carry, you can't go wrong with CZ's simple design and reliability. Reliability will save your life. That being said, I completely agree with everyone who said that you should get a good feel for a handgun before you buy it. Make sure it fits nicely in your hand, and make sure you feel good about being able to accurately fire it. They're extremely hard to find, but I suggest looking at a Tanfoglio Witness Carry chambered in 10mm. Tanfoglio is probably not a company you have ever heard of, but they make some amazing competition-grade firearms; a Tanfoglio handgun has won pretty much every major pistol competition in the world at least once. They primarily make CZ-clones. Oh, and 10mm is the absolute BEST anti-human pistol round on the market that you can get in a concealed-carry form factor. 10mm goes faster and hits harder than both 9mm and 45, and the recoil from 10mm is more manageable than .45ACP. The Witness Carry has an almost identical look and feel to the CZ you mentioned before, except the grip is a tad bit longer (read: higher capacity magazine): http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =215084442. If you can find one of those at a local gun shop, or have someone special order one for you to test out, I seriously would. The full-sized match grade version of this handgun will be my next handgun purchase. Bottom line is: find something that you feel good about carrying and shooting. Oh, and when you buy it, if you're going to carry it, shoot it as much as you possibly can. Practice, practice, practice. Become RETARDEDLY familiar with how everything in the weapon works and know how to tear it apart and put it back together to clean it thoroughly. A clean gun is a happy gun, and a happy gun won't jam. thats a sweet gun i would consider buying if had the money
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Coach
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Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:00 pm Posts: 4936 Location: Gardendale, Texas
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People always discount the .22, those are easiest to fire, heh. Can't test with em though. I'd surely go with a 40 or 45, a 9 is just enough to piss a dude off and make him charge at you in rage unless you get a head shot. (BOOM!) But you gotta do what feels right in your hands with the least recoil.
You need to find a local gun shop that'll allow you to test out different used guns at the range so you can get a feel for different types. I've shot at least 4 different kinds of 45s and I like my glock SF the best, it's why I bought one. :-)
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Gman
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Coach wrote: People always discount the .22, those are easiest to fire, heh. Can't test with em though. I'd surely go with a 40 or 45, a 9 is just enough to piss a dude off and make him charge at you in rage unless you get a head shot. (BOOM!) But you gotta do what feels right in your hands with the least recoil.
You need to find a local gun shop that'll allow you to test out different used guns at the range so you can get a feel for different types. I've shot at least 4 different kinds of 45s and I like my glock SF the best, it's why I bought one. :-) You can't legally carry a rimfire handgun or anything smaller than .32 in most states, and with good reason. Smaller calibers don't carry a lot of kinetic energy and tend to ricochet a lot more than larger rounds that will generally just break apart. A lot of people underestimate the true stopping power of 9mm. Its main problem is that it goes too fast to properly deliver enough kinetic energy. A caliber like 45 is slower, but it hits harder (not only because it's a larger/heavier slug, but) because it drags more. The destructive power of .45 is nice, but the recoil is a little bit more difficult to manage. In public, if you're going to shoot someone, you want to be able to shoot them and recover from the recoil quickly enough to accurately fire the weapon within a fraction of a second. A lot of good handgun shooters can do that, but it's not something that necessarily comes easily. 9mm ACP is enough to let a motherfucker know you're serious, and the recoil is a lot easier to manage. That's what I love about the 10mm caliber; it's literally the best of both worlds as far as kinetic energy delivery and velocity, and it's in the middle-ground for recoil management. If I ever have to shoot someone with a handgun, I wouldn't feel bad at all about firing my Springfield P9 at them. I'd feel great about shooting a Tanfoglio Witness Match chambered in 10mm at them, though. A 10mm round leaves a F*CKING basketball-size group of destroyed tissue and rage in a motherfucker's chest as a souvenir. Best. Handgun. Round. Ever.
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dirtbag
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Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:00 am Posts: 620 Location: Colorado
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Guys - all except Taz and Kung Fu - thanks for your comments and advice. I belong to a gun club that has lots of guns to test. I have a CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom its a full size poly 9mm. I love the gun. But, I want to get a conceal carry weapon. Colorado is an open carry state. But, you don't really see many people do it. I shot a bunch of .380's and didn't like them at all. That's why I'm moving up to a 9mm. The club has quite a few to test. So, I'll keep testing. Wed night I put about 150 rounds through the lock 26 and CZ 2075. I'm going to try the springfield EMP this weekend. Its sweet looking, and all the reviews say its a great gun.
I looked at the 10mm the rounds are a little pricey. I'll ask the guys at the club if they have any to test.
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Gman
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Think of 10mm as ".40 magnum"
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slayer
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do not discount the 9mm with the bullet tech out there its more than enough to kill a man this is all
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"Beware the man who has but one gun. He will know how to use it..."
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