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dangerousdan1138
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Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:19 pm Posts: 107
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 Gun-related question
Is it true that one can take really good care of an antique firearm to the point it would still work like an M1 garand or an M1911 from more than 60 yrs. ago? I usually see in some movies that happening, but like some stuff I see in movies I call shenanigans.
Also, what is any of your opinions on the HK USC? They say it's a modified UMP that's allowed for private civilian use but from the look of the outside I do not know if this thing is legal in New York at all. I think New York has the toughest laws on certain things there such as firearm use and some parts of New York just don't mix (Liberal Big cities, conservative towns).
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obejii
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I have no idea. I know a little something about handguns and shotguns but that's about it. If your question is, If i have an antique M1911 or similar firearm and it is in near mint condition, will it operate in near mint condition? the answer i would think is yes, so long as everything is in good working order, the gun should operate in good working order. About the HK USC, I can not find any reliable reviews on this firearm. However Heres a little bit of basic information. http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=c ... s&Itemid=5
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ApeX
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My girlfriend's brother-in-law is a WWI and WWII buff (does re-enactments and shit) and he has some older style guns that still work. They are pretty uncomplicated really, so as long as they are kept maintained and maybe replace a part or two, they should be good to go.
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Gman
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Honestly it depends on how much it's been fired. A weapon that's had 100,000 rounds through it isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 10,000 -- and that weapon isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 1,000 fired through it.
I've got a Springfield 1903-A3, which is, in my opinion, one of the best military service weapons ever made. It's a .30-06, and the iron sights are accurate to 800yds. Put a scope on it, and (depending on the shooter) it's accurate up to 1500 or more. We're talking about a weapon that was issued for service in WWI and WWII.
Basically, the "age" of the weapon doesn't really matter as much as how much the weapon has been used and how well it's been maintained. Chances are, if the weapon saw combat, it's not going to be as great as one that didn't see combat.
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PiNoY
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Whenever I see a gun-related question, I read the OP, then scroll down until I see Gman's post. tbh
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Crzyninja
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Gman wrote: Honestly it depends on how much it's been fired. A weapon that's had 100,000 rounds through it isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 10,000 -- and that weapon isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 1,000 fired through it.
I've got a Springfield 1903-A3, which is, in my opinion, one of the best military service weapons ever made. It's a .30-06, and the iron sights are accurate to 800yds. Put a scope on it, and (depending on the shooter) it's accurate up to 1500 or more. We're talking about a weapon that was issued for service in WWI and WWII.
Basically, the "age" of the weapon doesn't really matter as much as how much the weapon has been used and how well it's been maintained. Chances are, if the weapon saw combat, it's not going to be as great as one that didn't see combat. i completely agree with the springfield my buddy has one and that is one of my favorite rifles
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Morbid
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Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 818 Location: Quebec
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Quote: Gman wrote: Honestly it depends on how much it's been fired. A weapon that's had 100,000 rounds through it isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 10,000 -- and that weapon isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 1,000 fired through it.
I've got a Springfield 1903-A3, which is, in my opinion, one of the best military service weapons ever made. It's a .30-06, and the iron sights are accurate to 800yds. Put a scope on it, and (depending on the shooter) it's accurate up to 1500 or more. We're talking about a weapon that was issued for service in WWI and WWII.
Basically, the "age" of the weapon doesn't really matter as much as how much the weapon has been used and how well it's been maintained. Chances are, if the weapon saw combat, it's not going to be as great as one that didn't see combat.
Everyone know that the best riffle is the C7..... take the M16, fix the shit, give it to a canadian military, and here you go :P!!!
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mossyoak
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PiNoY wrote: Whenever I see a gun-related question, I read the OP, then scroll down until I see Gman's post. tbh thats what i do. Then read the rest.
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Crzyninja
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Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:00 pm Posts: 2410 Location: california
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Morbid wrote: Quote: Gman wrote: Honestly it depends on how much it's been fired. A weapon that's had 100,000 rounds through it isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 10,000 -- and that weapon isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 1,000 fired through it.
I've got a Springfield 1903-A3, which is, in my opinion, one of the best military service weapons ever made. It's a .30-06, and the iron sights are accurate to 800yds. Put a scope on it, and (depending on the shooter) it's accurate up to 1500 or more. We're talking about a weapon that was issued for service in WWI and WWII.
Basically, the "age" of the weapon doesn't really matter as much as how much the weapon has been used and how well it's been maintained. Chances are, if the weapon saw combat, it's not going to be as great as one that didn't see combat.
Everyone know that the best riffle is the C7..... take the M16, fix the shit, give it to a canadian military, and here you go :P!!! except we all know canadians cant shoot for shit
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Tazzaler
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Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:00 pm Posts: 5727 Location: Dakota, North
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Morbid wrote: Quote: Gman wrote: Honestly it depends on how much it's been fired. A weapon that's had 100,000 rounds through it isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 10,000 -- and that weapon isn't going to be as accurate as one that's only had 1,000 fired through it.
I've got a Springfield 1903-A3, which is, in my opinion, one of the best military service weapons ever made. It's a .30-06, and the iron sights are accurate to 800yds. Put a scope on it, and (depending on the shooter) it's accurate up to 1500 or more. We're talking about a weapon that was issued for service in WWI and WWII.
Basically, the "age" of the weapon doesn't really matter as much as how much the weapon has been used and how well it's been maintained. Chances are, if the weapon saw combat, it's not going to be as great as one that didn't see combat.
Everyone know that the best riffle is the C7..... take the M16, fix the shit, give it to a canadian military, and here you go :P!!! sorry I give my penis to the G36, just the sight of them back when the German Heer would guard some NATO installations would make my butthole tighten.
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Loke
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Actually i swear to a Norwegian made version of HK's G3 it's the AG-3 7.62 mm assault rifle, i've spent countless hours with this weapon, in snow, in mud, in minus 34 degrees celcius (that's -29.2 ºF for you guys), through neighborhood's, forest landscapes and water this weapon is incredible and accurate up to 600 meters with a scope :) Well it's accurate further but then in the hands of a trained soldier, the longest registered shot is about 2 000 meters (2187 yards), and the bullet will travel about 4 500 meters (4921 yards.) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Automatic_rifle_AG-3_right.jpgThat is a picture of the rifle with no modifications on it. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/HK_G36_with_AG36.jpgThat is not a AG3, it's a HK G36 with modifications, you can do all that to the AG3 aswell, just wanted you to see it with some of the good stuff on it ;) Best part about this weapon is that it fires almost anywhere, it has 7.62 mm ammo which means superior firepower to anything you will find in the hands of a single soldier as far as rifles and pistols that are issued by any government atleast to my knowledge. And you can bring down a house with this gun.. Btw this used to be standard issue rile for the norwegian military they have now swapped to the HK 416 which is well, it's said to be a good weapon, but if i need to arm myself again i'm going to get me an AG3.
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Gman
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 Re: Gun-related question
7.62x39mm is a decent round, but for long-range sake, it doesn't have shit on good old-fashioned American .30-06 Springfield.
Quick breakdown of stats:
7.62x39mm: 650-700 meters/second velocity 2000 Joules of energy
.30-06 Springfield 750-900 meters/second velocity 2800-3000 Joules of energy
Oh, and the Springfield 1903-A3 was sighted for 2500yds from the factory. It remained in service with the US Military for over 50 years.
I'm not saying that I'd take it over a Sako TRG or even a G3-SG1, but it holds a special place in my heart because it's such an amazing weapon.
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Loke
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The cartridge itself offers similar ballistic performance in most firearms to the .30-06 Springfield that it replaced in U.S. service. Though shorter, standard loadings fire similar bullet weights at similar velocities. Modern propellants allowed the same velocity from a case with less capacity. The smaller case requires less brass and yields a shorter cartridge. This shorter cartridge allows a reduction in the size of the firearms that chamber it. (this i jacked from wikipedia.)
Gman standard Nato ammunition is used for the AG-3 it's the the 7.62x51mm ,which is slightly better than the 7.62x39mm if im not mistaken, also the The 7.62x51mm NATO is almost similar to the .30-06 Springfield :) Now the .30-06 Springfield i have never tried, but i would really like to since it stayed in the US army for so long it's got to pack a mean punch with a good accuracy :) Also the weapons that you have a special relation to is usually the weapons you perform best with due to interest :)
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Crzyninja
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Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:00 pm Posts: 2410 Location: california
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if you get the chance to shoot the 1903 springfield, dont hesitate its will be worth it.
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AnalChowMein
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I almost bought a clone last month for $500. Its really a great design but I don't want unless its an H&K and those are $$$$$$$$$$$
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dangerousdan1138
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Thanks for the advice everyone. From the sounds of it, I should try out the Springfield 1903. I've been also trying to look for Chinese-copies of Mauser rifles from the WW2 era and I'm looking for gun shows in or around my area. At least I'll know what to look for if it's been in battle or not.
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Gman
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Loke
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That's a beautiful rifle, does most gunbroker auctions only ship to the US ?
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AngryKitten
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Morbid,
Isn't the French Canadian division of Canada's troops the one they send in when it's time to surrender? They don't even give you guys guns.
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Crzyninja
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Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:00 pm Posts: 2410 Location: california
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AngryKitten wrote: Morbid,
Isn't the French Canadian division of Canada's troops the one they send in when it's time to surrender? They don't even give you guys guns. instead they give out white flags and a new pair of underwear agter you shit your self
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