Thought I might add even though I said I was done, /back in regards to the bed spawn not working does make sense to add, along with some administrative things like kick, ban, etc. My main concern, disregarding any kind of "abuse", is how much more lag this crap is going to bring on. I'm also curious on whether or not we'd have to install Aethermod on our own machines cause I've yet to find anything on it being server-side only. So yeah, just a few unanswered things for someone that DOESN'T have a beastly machine.

gimme /give jerks

lol!

Never! Go play creative mode, nerd.

Oh well then yeah let's make a F*CKIN' thread asking if we'd be for or against the fact to add 3 mods to the mod-free server, we have 3 options : yes, yes for back and top but no for aether, and no... but we can't actually say no because it's stupid because no one's forcing you to use it.

Ok then add them, I don't see the damn point of having the /top command since there are easy ways to explore caves, and I wouldn't add the aether since Notch talked about adding mob bosses later and shits like that. But hey, we can't vote no.

I'm not nit-picking the situation, I'm pointing the fact that this is a survival game server. I'm voting no for the aether simply because I don't like the idea, but about the /back and /top commands, it takes off the whole aspect of a survival game.

He mad.

I'm making steak and hoping my internet doesn't go out. Just thought I'd throw that out there while I still look into this Aether thing. Do you know how hard it is to find some sort of detailed shit on some of these mods? YEESH!

EDIT:

I'm finding a lot of stuff saying Aether might not even work multiplayer. Not sure how true that is.

On a serious note...

The game has basically two types of players, survival and creative. In fact, the multiplayer servers allow for both modes to exist simultaneously. The survival players see what we all see, and the creative players see an inventory with an unlimited quantity of every item in the game. Normally, I'd say people should just pick a mode and call it a day, the people who dont want to mine and just want to build go creative, and the people who wanna mine and earn their gear go survival. But then you get weird scenarios where the creative people give away free stuff to the survival people who otherwise would have to work for it. And since there's not any way to really protect from that, it would never work.

On one hand /warp and /tp are hated on because people fly around the map between mine and base and other people's bases, steal stuff, etc. But on the other, most people don't like it when other players build all up on their nuts, and without an easy way to get to other players early in the map, before a railroad or whatever is setup, it's annoying to have to run 1500 blocks and back just to trade some iron for some meat.

On one hand people dislike /back because it's "cheating" but on the other, it fixes some issues people are having with respawning at the origin, regardless of whether they slept in a bed.

Some people would like a mod that, when you died, your stuff was put into a locked chest at the place you died, so it couldn't be picked up and stolen, and so it wouldn't despawn if it took you more than 5 minutes to get back there safely. But others would say that changes the game too much -- part of the game, they would claim, is having to return to your place of death within 5 minutes if you wanted the hope of recollecting your gear. They would say that, if it was stolen, "oh well, part of the game, shouldn't have died"

Some would like an in-game trading system where you could sell items to the "house" for credit which you could then use to buy other items. Have a lot of iron but no gold? no problem:
/sell iron 64
/buy gold 16

But others would say that this is cheating. If you need gold, go find it, regardless of how much extra iron or diamonds you have.

The problem is is that many of the justifications I hear for not having x mod is because they want to keep the server mod-less or vanilla. But at the same time, they enjoy y mod or wish we had z mod. Thats just inconsistent.

I'm not really sure how enabling /back for everyone affects the people who chose not to use it because they want a more "authentic" experience. Is it just because you enjoy "roughing" it and expect everyone else to want to experience the game the same way you want to? I mean, it doesn't make much sense. Its like, "I realize there are things out there that improve the Minecraft experience for others, that I can totally choose not to use and it will not affect my Minecraft experience at all, but because I don't want to use it, I don't want anyone else to use it.

F*CK the fact that cars allow people to travel to places they otherwise would not have been able to, I like riding my bike and therefore will fight to ban any highways or roads.

There are some plugins that you'd have a harder time finding objections to:
-- Lockette is a great example of a harmless plugin IMO. It doesn't make the game "easier" for anyone, unless you consider griefing and pvp thievery part of the game, which I do not.
-- Nicknames makes a lot of sense
-- I think some form of limited warp would solve a lot of the problems people currently have with /warp. Where players could set a single warp point to their "front door" that had to be within like 200 blocks of their bed that people could warp to at any time. Players would only be able to change this point once per RL day to prevent abusing it.

Anyway, this thread is full of "well I like X about Minecraft, so anything that will change that, even if only for those who decide to use it and not for me, I don't like and don't want" which is kind of interesting.

PS. I like using a cyan blue crosshair on source -- accordingly, we're considering making it mandatory that anyone who plays on the n00bfest source servers change their crosshairs to cyan.

I also don't like shotguns, although I realize some people enjoy them and it makes the game more interesting. Regardless, we will be disabling all shotguns from the source server since the option of simply *not buying shotguns* isn't sufficient.

Well you're right, should've seen it like you see it Fomenta. Sorry for all the shit talkin' about you having to work "harder to play".

If it helps people to have the /back command (like sweetpea) and the /top command, go for it, they should enjoy the game the way they want it since I'm not forced to play it the way they want it.

I'm still against the aether though but Fomenta's right. It's stupid to call others out because they don't want to play it like I do.

Sorry.

I really don't care one way or the other LeCoq, just wanted to point out a common thread from the posts and discussions, I didn't mean to seem to call you out. I mean, I completely respect and agree with many of your points -- at least for me, in the last world, I quit seriously playing like 2 days after I figured out /give because it completely changed the game for me and surprisingly, even though it got easier, it lost its fun.

PS Its bullshit that Notch hasn't added Canadian Moose yet, amirite?

He's about to in 1.9.



As long as maple sirup as food, but it only replenish half a heart and gives diabeetus.

Just thought I'd mention this now, I don't think Aether will be available for multiplayer, or 1.8.1 at all for that matter. According to the wiki it's not compatible with 1.8.1 yet and I've yet to see anything about multiplayer being available. Will keep looking for those that may want to see it up on the server.

I would like to add /back, died too many times from just alt tabbing for 2 secs my 2cents

Just so y'all are aware - And both Deadman and Tazz can confirm this.

I slept in a bed tonight at my house, jumped off a cliff, and spawned at the spawn point.
Slept at my bed in the Commune, had Deadman push me into the lava, spawned at the spawn point.
Closed out of the game, deleted my bin folder, restarted the game, slept in my bed, had Tazzaler kill me, spawned at the spawn point.

Shit sucks, I really want the /back option.

I support /back 100%

The only thing I don't like is the /top command, for reasons others have said. It'd be nice if there was a limited /back command, only usable if you've died recently. That would eliminate any exploits. I'll do some more research on that multiworld plugin I was talking about. It would let us have a mostly vanilla world, and a more freebuildish world set up, with a portal allowing you to cross between the two. The one I had setup had different inventories for each world, so no cross contamination of items. And someone mentioned about it causing more lag for the server, but it's the same principle as the Aether. It's one server client, 2 map files. The Nether (I think) works the same way. At least it used to. The only thing it increases is the amount of space the game takes up on the hard drive. The nice thing is you can still chat with each other, same thing as the Nether.


Edit:
Here's the plugin I was using
http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/multiverse-core/

Also had this one on, but t seems it's not updated to the latest bukkit build.
http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/multiinv/

Also, not sure if it would work, but for Sweet Pea's problem maybe deleteing her .dat file in the server/(worldname)/players folder might fix it (make sure she has her inventory in a chest beforehand, because it'll delete her entire inventory). Are beds working in your single player games Sweet Pea?

Is there a way to make the mod so you can only use /back within a couple of minutes of dieing? I didn't think that would be possible. If it is that would be awesome. On top of limiting how many times you can use it in a day. I don't think people die more than 3 times a day, yes?

I also like your portal between maps idea, Danforth. Fomenta and Acid would have to look more into it. Anyone else?



I haven't played on my single-player games in a while and I'm at work until this evening, but I will try that when I get home.

Not unless you know Java...

I know Java. *sneaks in:

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You hardcoded the wrong name, jheiv.

LOL

Goddamnit fomenta.