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Author:  davep [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  RTV % Change
I was wondering if we could get a reduction in the amount of people that need to type RTV to get the map vote going, right now it seems like it needs over 50% of the people on the server which isn't good because when a map is one sided the team dominating doesn't want to switch maps and wont' type RTV. So I was thinking doing it at 50% or a little under to compensate for AFKs/Douchebags.
Author:  cybrslsh [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
If we did this then another clan who wants to raid us and create havoc could change the map every 2 rounds and destroy the server. This likely wont happen.
Author:  mossyoak [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
I wouldnt mind it, it seems like RTV is over used or over attempted. But when needed it does seem like it is a bit high.
Author:  CPTReynolds [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
cybrslsh wrote:
If we did this then another clan who wants to raid us and create havoc could change the map every 2 rounds and destroy the server. This likely wont happen.


That's why we don't have vote ban turned on. Also we have admins who can just kick a clan who would try this. I think it might be worth a look at but not something we should jump the gun on.
Author:  Tazzaler [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
I vote for 51%
Author:  cybrslsh [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
Admins can also choose to decline the votes which is nice, but typically RTVs used in excess is when NONE are on. I would like to see it stay as is since I've never seen afks affect an rtv and afks usually get kicked in the event that an admin is on the server. As for the douchebags, they don't want to change the map hence the VOTE in rock the vote, you can't change their opinion on the map nor should you.
Author:  Kwang! [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
I'm not so worried about the % of users needed, but I know that there have been plenty of times where the map is stuck on something shitty and there are only 2-3 people in the server and we want to RTV d2 or something to get more ppl but it won't let us unless we have FOUR people.
Author:  davep [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
This post was made as an addition to the map rotation change because of stacked maps. The biggest reason that the RTV % needs to change is because when you are on a stacked map where one teams is winning like 10-0, and the people dominating aren't switching to even up the teams. Then you have the team that is losing by 0 wanting to switch but the other team doesn't want to because they are actually enjoying themselves raping. It needs to at least change to 50% that way the team losing can get a map switch and hopefully that will mix up the teams.

Anther solution is a vote team scramble that is also set to 50%.
Author:  cybrslsh [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
Vote team scramble sounds like a decent idea to me. Or if possible auto team scramble when the score is too unbalanced I.e. up by 8.
Author:  mossyoak [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
Admins are usually on for that. Bleep called me in the other day just to even things out.
I have no problem helping.
Author:  -Purple- [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
OK, so to make this a fair discussion, let's assume this proposed changed is for the scenario when ONLY no admins are on to moderate game play, stacked teams, etc. If an admin is doing his/her job this will not be an issue (unless the player is a baby mccryer pants).

That being said, I have joined the server on occasion when players have been immediately shouting for my help to resolve one of the issues mentioned in the posts above. Will changing the RTV vote % have a positive impact? I'm not sure; however, I don't feel it can really have a negative impact. Another "clan" attempting to "crash" our server is fairly rare, and even then there aren't enough people to hijack the RTV, as I have personally only seen 5 players max from another clan.

Also, if the change is applied and negative outcomes arise, it can easily be changed back. This is as simple as making numerical changes to 2 lines in the Mani config file, which takes only a minute or two to complete and upload to the server.

My vote, with however much weight it may or may not hold with the powers that be, is YES. (Please don't construe my vote as n00bfest acceptance and application of the proposed change.)
Author:  FuZZyLoGiC [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
if this makes it possible to change the map early in the morning when there are no admins around then i'm totally for it... many times i'll be in here with one or two other players and we need to change the map, but just can't do it cuz there's not enough players... just sayin'
Author:  -Enlightened Viet [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
Just kill the winning team, they usually want to rtv after a few rounds :/
Author:  -Purple- [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
Killing the wining team doesn't create fun for everyone, and that also means an admin is present who can better solve the issue. If one team is getting slaughtered despite other efforts I've made to help them, like giving them money and changing a player or two, I usually give the entire losing team 200 health, which gives them a win 9 times out of 10. It usually also changes the way the other team plays the subsequent round(s), creating more advantage for the losing team.
Author:  sdo [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
i would honestly almost be fine w/ this if syksy was moved from after d2 for the main reason this is how it goes no1 wants to play say office ok rtv we go to a diff map server goes back to d2 then syksy then we rtv off of syksy to a diff map and then back to d2 ect ect it gets pretty annoying or another option would be to take a vote on some maps to take out of rotation so that rtv isnt over used as it is now
Author:  honestly? [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
I really have no problem with the RTV as it is. Yeah the % is a little bit high, but whenever the map needs to be changed when no one wants to play it one of two things usually happens. 1st Admin puts up a vote or just changes the map. 2nd Enough people RTV and the map changes. I would however like to see nominated maps come to the top of the list, because this is not always the case. The RTV brings up the entire list of maps on the server, if it could be changed to bring up a random few then fill the rest with nominated maps. Seems like 1 map needs to be nominated multiple times to come to the top of the list.
Author:  davep [ Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RTV % Change
honestly? wrote:
I really have no problem with the RTV as it is. Yeah the % is a little bit high, but whenever the map needs to be changed when no one wants to play it one of two things usually happens. 1st Admin puts up a vote or just changes the map. 2nd Enough people RTV and the map changes. I would however like to see nominated maps come to the top of the list, because this is not always the case. The RTV brings up the entire list of maps on the server, if it could be changed to bring up a random few then fill the rest with nominated maps. Seems like 1 map needs to be nominated multiple times to come to the top of the list.

I agree with the nominated list, it seems pretty random and doesn't even take into account the maps that were nominated. But I don't think we should rely on admins being on the server to put up a vote since that isn't always the case, I've been on the server and not one admin is on and hoping on vent to ask one to get on makes me feel like a little bitch. Also expecting the winning team to RTV is usually out of the case, the maps on the rotation aren't an issue but when one team is stacked hard and they don't want to switch to even things up it becomes annoying.
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